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You may wonder in the next few days, "Where is Pian Shu?"; I've left the corporation.  I like you guys, but some events have taken place lately that have made me re-evaluate what I want out of this game.  It turns out I don't just want to hang out with guys I like.  I want to hang out with guys I like who have the same ideas about the game that I do.

When I started the game I just wanted to do my own thing.  I ran missions and ignored every other pilot I passed.  Then, one day, I happened along into low-sec where I was happily killing rogue drones -- a Falcon and a Raven jumped into my mission and I was quickly dispatched.  It was my first loss to other players, and I hated it.  That was a turning point for me because I realized that there were more guys like him (it was one guy and with two characters -- Falcon alts and their undying popularity).  I realized that I wanted to kill all of the guys that were like him, to make them regret what they'd done.  From that moment, I searched for an anti-pirate corporation.

I found myself in Providence for the first time.  A place of wonder where the locals believed in not shooting those who weren't hostile towards them.  My corporation scattered (well, the good people) the first time -A- tried to 'teach CVA a lesson'.  I had grown addicted to PvP and ran off to join a 0.0 alliance which held vast tracts of space (at that time IRON held all of Pure Blind) -- good space.  When I decided that wasn't what I wanted, I looked back towards Providence and the people who lived there.  Eventually I settled with you Beegees; when I joined, the recruiters were firm that we were anti-pirate and followed strict NRDS rules of engagement.

I used to think that the corporation did have the same ideals I did.  It turns out that it's not so, at least those who share my time zone and who I would be flying with.  NRDS is a sort of convenience for the corporation because to follow NRDS allows the pilots free run of Providence.  A few nights ago we had a ... heated discussion in corp chat.  There were a few pivotal moments where I realized I was angry but didn't know why.  Now I know why; it's because you guys don't necessarily play EVE in the way that I do.  For me, it's a game and I want to play it.  To me that doesn't mean to earn more ISK or own more space; and it's more than just getting kills to feed the killboard.

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Roland Marr > i guess it boils down to why you play the game. if you play to be the knight in shining armor (aside from the fact that you are in the wrong genre), nrds makes sense
Roland Marr > if you wanna succeed, more flexibility in your ROE is necessary

This made me think about what I really wanted.  I do want to play -- but not necessarily the "knight in shining armor"; I want to play a member of an organization that holds itself to NRDS because the pilots want to, not because it's convenient or a 'necessary evil'.  We all know there are no knights in shining armor in EVE. 

Maybe for you succeeding means more ISK, but that's not what it means for me.  For me, if I don't hold true to my ROE, then I'm not succeeding.  If I don't fly with people who also hold true to their ROE, then I'm not succeeding.  I don't hold it against you, I just don't agree with you; and that's the beauty of this game, I don't have to agree with you.

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OttoParts > we saw an opportunity to gain an asset and took it
Pian Shu > A guy probed down my Drake once.  He saw an opportunity to gain an asset and he took it too.
OttoParts > yes, and thats the game

This is not my game.  I will play my game.

My only regret is that I'm joining an alliance that is red to CVA, which means I'll be red to you, and you to me.  I don't plan to come back with all my combat ships and wage war on Tread.  I'll avoid killing Beegees wherever I can.  I respect the PvP ability of those who do it.  I respect the industrialists who don't.  I'm not bitter like some who leave.  I'm a little sad, but I think I will enjoy it more.      

I've joined Jericho Fraction, the executor corporation for Star Fraction.  They're a sort of renaissance freedom fighter group; the freedom they're fighting for is the freedom from federalism -- a sort of neo anarchist movement.  They're NRDS, but they have a big thing against slavery and an alliance whose sole purpose is enlarging the holdings of the Amarr empire.  So, there were a few ideologically motivated reds added to the list -- but these reds are notified in no uncertain terms.  But, they have been strictly NRDS since their inception and continue to be strictly NRDS; they play the game like I do, or at least I think they do.  I guess I'll find out during my trial period with them.

Their current campaign places them squarely in anti-CVA territory harrassing Severance up in Catch.  It's not exactly where I wanted to be, but it's the closest I could come to what I want to do.  And, now that I've realized how liberating it is to actually admit I want to role play, it's much easier for me to think about accepting losses and think about other role players accepting their losses as well.  It's a game, and we want to play.

I'll continue to hang out in your public channel.  As I said, I like you guys; I just want to play my way.

--- The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving on. -- Ulysses S. Grant

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OttoParts's picture

i had another reply typed out, but thought better of it. Had a nice chat with Pian in private instead. Im sure the above quotes dont paint me in a good light but they are a bit out of context and i wasnt being clear, certainly couldve worded it better. But rest assured Pian is a good guy and i hope others see and know that and hes not intending to put us in a bad light. He just wants to find some support for his own style

I do hope we can build BG into a corp that is flexible enough to allow diverse playstyles like Pian and myself(opposites in terms of many ideals and playtypes) to co-exist

If I was unclear in the original post, I've bee remiss.  I hold absolutely no ill will towards any of you.  I don't think any of you are pirates, thieves, scum or any thing other than good people who enjoy playing this game in your own way. 

I only posted in the public channel because I fully expect Neutrino or another admin to come along soon and revoke my access, and I didn't want to wonder what people were saying when they replied.  Maybe somebody should move the post; I suppose it's possible it would look bad to others even though I didn't mean any harm.

While I don't believe I've unfairly pulled any quotes out of context, there was a broader conversation going on at the time. These were simply a couple of the triggers that made me pause and think about what I was realy doing with my play time.

Until recently I really did think I would stay with the Beegees forever.  And, recent events may have been the catalyst for the change, but it would have happened sooner or later anyway.  I'm tired of simply earning ISK; this is my escape, and if I can't be a daring freedom fighter in my own escape, where can I?

Down with slavery.  Down with oppression.  Up with fun.

--- The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving on. -- Ulysses S. Grant

http://pianshu.eve-kill.net/

http://paritybit.tumblr.com/

Ruban Spangler's picture

Good luck with your new corp.  I like the twist in the tale.  I was expecting the punch line to be “and so I’m joining CVA”.

Roland Marr's picture

Well, I am sorry to see you go. I did enjoy our lively conversation the other day. I truly wish we had more talks like that in our corporation. I think that when people find out their true motivations, it makes playing the game so much easier. At the beginning period, you are just trying everything, hopping from one activity to the next, until you finally find something that you know you will do forever. Then the next expansion comes out, and your raison d'etre changes yet again. C'est la vie.

Finding an ideology to adhere to is similar to this process. I don't know if this is the higher road, but it definitely is a harder one. For my part, I am happy to have contributed to your defining yourself more clearly. Heh, it would have been nice if you had discovered that you agree with my paradigm completely, but them's the breaks.

I don't hold any ill will against you, either. I can't really fault anyone for following their heart. The world would be a better place if more people did the same. Hopefully, we can fly together in the future. Barring that, hopefully we can have a friendly pvp match somewhere in space someday. I would love to help pad your kb stats. :-)

Neutrino Sunset's picture

I have no problem with this thread being here in the public channel. If you are leaving corp then yes this is the right place to carry on a dialog with ex-corp mates.

On a more personal note I'm sorry to see you leave Pian as I like your style and thought you fitted in very well here. I wish we'd had had the opportunity to discuss your concerns more fully before you made your decision as I don't think the issue of NRDS and anti-piracy is cut and dried within the corp and I'm not convinced your point of view is necessarily the minority. Nevertheless good luck in your new corp and have fun o/

Theo SClaw's picture

I hope you'll enjoy your stay in your new corp, but if it's not the case you'll be always welcome back.

I haven't been much on line in the last days and it's a shame as I would have liked to talk to you about your concerns before you took your decision. As Neutrino suggest, your point of view is not a minority within corp today.

Have fun,

L Petit Object's picture

This might be a weird article to have as the only visible article on the public forum (a person leaving) besides the test. Perhaps for propaganda's sake we should move this back to general discussion? I think for anyone not aware of internal corporate debates right now, it could be very confusing.

Humbly

L'Petit Object

Licinius Crassusfilius's picture

Good idea

Neutrino Sunset's picture

A public forum has to start somewhere and keeping up a conversation with an ex-corp mate seems as good a place as any. Bear in mind that if we move this to General Discussion then the op who has left corp will not be able to read his own post anymore. I know it might seem a bit odd while this happens to be the only post here so if there is any concern from leadership about this discussion being public I'll move it.